View Full Version : need help learning chords
03-29-08, 04:45 PM
im at a loss on how to master chords. iv been learning them as in Amajor Amajor7 A7th A9 Aminor but i dont understand how i would use them. then a friend of mine recommended that i learn the chords that are in keys. does any1 have any suggestions? or a cool trick to help me out
03-30-08, 02:26 AM
Hey, I moved this thread becasue it seemed more of a theory related question.
You raised two questions. How do I use them, and How do I master/learn them.
I will stick with 'learning' because using them is more easily taught with a demonstration, you also need to be listening.
So anyway. If your familiar with your basic chord construction techniques, building these other chords can be quite simple.
Take something like a CMaj7
If you count up the C major scale in this position C=1 D=2 E=3 F=4 ect.. you will see each note corresponds with the degrees I labeled them with on the tab. Asside from the third, which has been raised one octave.
Now if we look again at the third. and drop just that note by a whole step. We wind up with the 2nd/9th degree of the scale in its place. Like so.
3 <9th <<<<<
This is now a Cmaj9
Lets look at the 7th now. Assuming we want to change it from a Cmaj7 to a C7. As long as we know that the difference between a Cmaj7 and a C7 is the 7th degree. ( Maj7 = 7th degree of a major scale. Dominant7 = b7 degree of the major scale. ) We can flatten that 7 by 1 semi tone.
We wind up altering it like so.
3 < b7th
Before I continue, let me know if this is where you were headed with the question. These simple alterations are a common way to learn your chord extensions. It is important that your familiar with the relevant scale degrees though.
03-31-08, 07:46 AM
Hey mike. great explenation.
but my question was not worded right. i aplogize. i was running late and typed it fast.
anyways i understand how to build chords but what im having trouble with is memorizing all the different chords and there shapes. i have a few down. But this weekend i focused on learning the chords by keys. i started with C and would learn chords in c major and minor scale. then i switced to another scale (d). i ended up doing about 5 keys. It worked. the chords i focused on where major7th minor 7th, 7th and major9th. and i also learned the dimished chords. i think dimished sounds really really ugly. i primarly play rock (although lately iv been playing a kind of funky rock jazz). can i replace a dimished chord for a major or minor chord in a chord progression. say my progression was I-IV-VII. could i use a major VII instead of a dimished VII?
03-31-08, 09:57 AM
Diminished chords in Rock music are rare.
Using a vii chord in a Major progression is also rare.
If you have a chord progression that intends to use chord 7, odds are it will be in a minor key. If you are playing in a minor key though. Using a chord other than the diminished, such as the Major, could sound quite out of place.
It really depends though. If your using it in a particular way and it sounds alright to your ears. There is no reason not to use it.
03-31-08, 10:00 AM
As for your I-IV-VII progression. I can only assume it is in a minor key. Which would make a bit more sense written as ii-V-i. In which case the dim chord is required in my opinion.
Could you make a recording of what your talking about possibly?
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