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Yo guys!
I´d like to rant a bit about this band, not because I hate their music (I barely even heard it) nor because I don´t like them being popular (who gives a damn anyway) nor do I rant because of their sexual preferences – I really don´t care.
What I´d like to rant about is those absolutely sloppy performances I see on youtube. Betcha can´t play this, even though this competition in general sounds like a bad idea – what I can´t play often is not worth playing 😉 , but what they did was just so terribly sloppy 🙁 that it almost hurt my ears.
Now I recently found one of Marty Friedmans japanese shows with Dragonforce. Here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwWOKxRsNRE&feature=related . Damn it, that was weak. The tapping lick when he misses half of the notes, whammy stunts and the performance when all 4 are on stage… Horrible vibrato, sloppy playing, tapping with your pick (I especially hate the sound of it and the general idea of hitting “as much notes as you can” not in any particular order),,,Disapointment.
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yeah, they’re not good
at all
dragonforce suck!
the music in not that good, and the pose is just too big..
they suck on live shows
and their music sounds like packman, but as If they recorded it slowly, and then made it faster on the album..
I agree man, they cant play good, i always watch the Betcha cant play this vid when im feeling down, it always gives me a great laugh 😛 😀
Oh man, this is turning into another “bash this band” thread…
It just feels as if they don´t give the damn if they play clean or not :/
lol.. sry for that…
I’m also an admin of another forum..
of music instruments in some Israeli forum..
and we have a thread like that every week XD
I just wanna those little 13 yrs old stop opening them..
to be honest, I was fascinated by the ”speed” first time I listened to them
then I realized it’s just not my thing.
too many notes, just too many digital notes.
I think they’re a fun band to listen to and to watch. Granted, they do play horrendously live, but they’re also one of the most entertaining bands to watch live. They make a big effort to put on a good show. I’ve seen them 3 times, been disappointed with the music/sound every time, but i’ll definitely watch them again as they put on such a good show.
It’s not that they suck, but they are NOT a live band. They are more of a studio band who rely on pitch correction and pro tools to make them sound good. They don’t even write their own solos. On most of their albums, the producer ended up writing most, if not all, of them.
I’d say they are entertainers more than musicians. They’re along the lines of alot of these pop singers who are there to put on a good show and give the audience their monies worth. If they screw up live or play bad, they just add it in as part of the show.
They’re fun to watch, but that’s about it for me.
Errm musicians are entertainers. Cold facts. Sure we could go to that “making music for myself self expression” stuff, but at it´s core a trade of a musician is to entertain – with thy music.
Just a small correction.
@Sealer 6087 wrote:
Errm musicians are entertainers. Cold facts. Sure we could go to that “making music for myself self expression” stuff, but at it´s core a trade of a musician is to entertain – with thy music.
Just a small correction.
Marcin, 🙂
I think you may be creating your own definition of “musician” here! (Cold opinions -LOL!) 😉 I also think you’d be hard-pressed to find a definition of the word musician that included a single reference to the exact word entertainer? (Performer, yes, but entertainer, I doubt it!) I think Robert M. makes a valid and accurate point about the disconnect between true “musicians” and “enetertainers” (although frankly, I’m shocked that he let Dragonforce off the hook so easily! (LOL!) 😮 Anyways, as I’ve always thought of it, “true musicians” take their music seriously as a priority. Some choose to ALSO entertain at the same time that they perform their music. However, NOT ALL musicians choose to decidedly “entertain” intentionally while they “execute” their music! I agree that MOST Pop, Rock & Metal musicians CHOOSE to entertain while PERFORMING/PLAYING their music, but the two tasks are NOT “mutually-inclusive!” A good example of a musician who chooses to entertain while executing his music live, would be Steve Vai. Steve has said in interviews that his actual MUSICAL EXECUTION definitely suffers from time-to-time BECAUSE he chooses to be an entertainer while playing! (I think he said that he’s been known to “miss a note” or “poorly intonate a bend” because he might be “posturing” or “slithering about” on stage!) Conversely, I went to see a holiday performance of the Boston Pops here in Boston, Massachusetts – USA recently, and I don’t remember the 2nd-violin CHOOSING to compromise her prettiest melodic responsibilities in “Hark The Heralds, Angels Sing,” because she CHOSE to do her best “Jimmy Page/Led Zeppelin – Live version of “Dazed & Confused” violin bow string-slaps” simply to ENTERTAIN the audience! 😮 (I know, that’s a RIDICULOUS analogy, but it shows the point that NOT all musicians are the outward entertainers that we’ve come to expect BY DEFAULT in more POPULAR genre’s of music like Pop, Rock, and Metal!) Traditional Jazz is also a genre where I believe that musical execution and freedom of improvisation & expression reign supreme over any outward “ENTERTAINER” cliches/histrionics! (Like I don’t think Miles Davis was too concerned with “entertaining his audience” (intentionally!) when he went through his phase of turning his back to the audience for the ENTIRE performance! If you want to narrow your definition to Pop, Rock, and Metal for example, I think your definition would be MUCH CLOSER TO (but still NOT absolutely) TRUE! 😎
Just a small interpretation… :rolleyes:
~Bill Meehan~ 😀
@Sealer 6087 wrote:
Errm musicians are entertainers. Cold facts. Sure we could go to that “making music for myself self expression” stuff, but at it´s core a trade of a musician is to entertain – with thy music.
Just a small correction.
Marcin, 🙂
I think you may be creating your own definition of “musician” here! (Cold opinions -LOL!) 😉 I also think you’d be hard-pressed to find a definition of the word musician that included a single reference to the exact word entertainer? (Performer, yes, but entertainer, I doubt it!) I think Robert M. makes a valid and accurate point about the disconnect between true “musicians” and “enetertainers” (although frankly, I’m shocked that he let Dragonforce off the hook so easily! (LOL!) 😮 Anyways, as I’ve always thought of it, “true musicians” take their music seriously as a priority. Some choose to ALSO entertain at the same time that they perform their music. However, NOT ALL musicians choose to decidedly “entertain” intentionally while they “execute” their music! I agree that MOST Pop, Rock & Metal musicians CHOOSE to entertain while PERFORMING/PLAYING their music, but the two tasks are NOT “mutually-inclusive!” A good example of a musician who chooses to entertain while executing his music live, would be Steve Vai. Steve has said in interviews that his actual MUSICAL EXECUTION definitely suffers from time-to-time BECAUSE he chooses to be an entertainer while playing! (I think he said that he’s been known to “miss a note” or “poorly intonate a bend” because he might be “posturing” or “slithering about” on stage!) Conversely, I went to see a holiday performance of the Boston Pops here in Boston, Massachusetts – USA recently, and I don’t remember the 2nd-violin CHOOSING to compromise her prettiest melodic responsibilities in “Hark The Heralds, Angels Sing,” because she CHOSE to do her best “Jimmy Page/Led Zeppelin – Live version of “Dazed & Confused” violin bow string-slaps” simply to ENTERTAIN the audience! 😮 (I know, that’s a RIDICULOUS analogy, but it shows the point that NOT all musicians are the outward entertainers that we’ve come to expect BY DEFAULT in more POPULAR genre’s of music like Pop, Rock, and Metal!) Traditional Jazz is also a genre where I believe that musical execution and freedom of improvisation & expression reign supreme over any outward “ENTERTAINER” cliches/histrionics! (Like I don’t think Miles Davis was too concerned with “entertaining his audience” (intentionally!) when he went through his phase of turning his back to the audience for the ENTIRE performance! If you want to narrow your definition to Pop, Rock, and Metal for example, I think your definition would be MUCH CLOSER TO (but still NOT absolutely) TRUE! 😎
Just a small interpretation… :rolleyes:
~Bill Meehan~ 😀
Hey Everybody, 🙂
Sorry for the “double-post!” That was a mistake! 😮
~Bill Meehan~ 😀
I agree with Bill 😀
I agree with Bill too (I find that I usually do, even though his posts take ages to read – use more paragraphs Bill 😉 ).
Most of the people I play to at an average pub gig are not musos and aren’t interested in perfect technique. They always prefer to see me stick the guitar behind my head or play with one hand whilst taking a swig of drink as its more entertaining than watching me execute a slow tasty lick or a seriously economical fast picking technique.
Entertaining a crowd is a skill. Mamlsteen definitely has it. Paul Gilbert has it. Vai has it. Tommy Emmannuel has it in spades. My drummer who can barely play has it. I don’t quite got it, but its a skill i’m acquiring slowly.
A crowd usually wants a spectacle. Dragonforce provide a spectacle – they’re running around, jumping on trampolines, playing each other’s instruments, joking with the audience, and spend a lot of time getting the audience to move. The majority of the audience goes nuts for it. People like me stand wanting to be impressed by technical displays and get annoyed that they’re messing up their own songs. People like me are vastly outnumbered. Eventually we just sit back and take in the spectacle.
I remember a seeing a Jason Becker video of a clinic where he played an awesome lick, but which he explained looked really boring to an audience, and then he played a tasty sounding lick which looked cool to an audience. There’s also that video where he was playing with a yo-yo whilst doing legato with his other hand. He was good at putting on a show, and would make mistakes while he did so.
@Mandz 6095 wrote:
I agree with Bill too (I find that I usually do, even though his posts take ages to read – use more paragraphs Bill 😉 ).
Most of the people I play to at an average pub gig are not musos and aren’t interested in perfect technique. They always prefer to see me stick the guitar behind my head or play with one hand whilst taking a swig of drink as its more entertaining than watching me execute a slow tasty lick or a seriously economical fast picking technique.
Entertaining a crowd is a skill. Mamlsteen definitely has it. Paul Gilbert has it. Vai has it. Tommy Emmannuel has it in spades. My drummer who can barely play has it. I don’t quite got it, but its a skill i’m acquiring slowly.
A crowd usually wants a spectacle. Dragonforce provide a spectacle – they’re running around, jumping on trampolines, playing each other’s instruments, joking with the audience, and spend a lot of time getting the audience to move. The majority of the audience goes nuts for it. People like me stand wanting to be impressed by technical displays and get annoyed that they’re messing up their own songs. People like me are vastly outnumbered. Eventually we just sit back and take in the spectacle.
I remember a seeing a Jason Becker video of a clinic where he played an awesome lick, but which he explained looked really boring to an audience, and then he played a tasty sounding lick which looked cool to an audience. There’s also that video where he was playing with a yo-yo whilst doing legato with his other hand. He was good at putting on a show, and would make mistakes while he did so.
Hello Mandz! :):)
Thanks for usually agreeing with me (although I do enjoy dialogue with my contrarians like Robert M. and Marcin!!! – LOL!) 😉 Also, IMO, my replies take long to read because frankly, I am extrememly verbose (My Mom would tell you that I have the “gift of Irish gab – a nice way of saying that I’m full of B.S.!!!) 😮 If I thought that my replies would be easier to read simply by starting new paragraphs, well, I probably WOULDN’T DO THAT ANYWAYS! :rolleyes: My thinking here is that wouldn’t be a good enough reason to start a new paragraph! Instead, I prescribe to the following:
What is a paragraph?:
A paragraph is a collection of related sentences dealing with a single topic.
Basic Rule: Keep One Idea to One Paragraph:
The basic rule of thumb with paragraphing is to keep one idea to one paragraph. New ideas belong in new paragraphs. There are some simple ways to tell if you are on the same topic or a new one. You can have one idea and several bits of supporting evidence within a single paragraph. You can also have several points in a single paragraph as long as they relate to the overall topic of the paragraph.
Since my (long-winded) paragraphs usually adhere to the “one-idea per paragraph” (with an unfortunate number of related tangents, or “supporting evidence,” then I stick to the long paragraphs!
I think if you look back at some of my threads/replies (actually, it’s NOT really that important though!) 😮 you’d see that I do “break” paragraphs, when I break thought.
I will promise everyone this though: I promise to try to make my points in a more concise manner! We ALL deserve that consideration! 😉
BTW Mandz, I totally agree with you point about being “outnumbered” at shows as a fan of “musicians,” as I think the average person seeks to be entertained. Though in a way, I DO understand and agree in part with Marcin here, as I think his underlying point was that the musician’s “music” is his form of entertainment, NOT his outward “ENTERTAINING!” 😎
I hope everyone (who celebrates,) has a great (happy & healthy) New Year’s!!! 😀
~Bill Meehan~
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